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Bromine is much more popular in spas and hot
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slow-dissolving tablets or a quick-dissolving
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Bromates?
Hi Alan, I very much appreciate your website and it
has answered many questions for me, but this is one
question that I have come across that I can't find
an answer to. My spa is about 300 gallons, a couple
years old with an ozone generator. I was researching
why my spa would not hold its bromine level after
shocking for very long, and found some negative
information about using bromine with ozone
generators. The statements I came across basically
said that ozone can convert some of the bromine to
bromate, which is a suspected human carcinogen. Now
I am definitely not a chemist, and when I read
information like this it is a bit alarming. I
realize bromine is a very popular sanitizer and is
undoubtedly used in thousands of ozone spas, so am I
a victim of reading more into this than necessary? I
figured that if it was really an imminent hazard, in
this day and age there would be all types of warning
labels stating to not use bromine as a sanitizer.
Any enlightenment you can offer would be most
appreciated, I'm concerning enough that I'm
considering draining the tub and starting fresh
using chlorine as a sanitizer.
Scott B., 12/31/2020
Bromates do fall in the category of being possibly
carcinogenic. However, the consensus seems to be
agree, that is the ingestion of
bromates
that poses the greatest risk. There doesn't seem to
be any evidence of risk, due to skin absorption or
inhalation of the trace amounts, that might exist in
an ozonated spa. At one time, there was a
combination of a bromine generator, with a built-in
ozonator. I believe, it was discontinued because of
the concern about bromate formation. So far as I
know, there are no warnings about using bromine and
ozone, together. If this concerns you, draining the
water, and starting chlorine use, will eliminate the
potential to form bromates. A
salt
chlorine generator is a convenient way to
chlorinate a spa. We offer several models, that require no
installation and two of them are "smart enough" to
only produce chlorine, when it is actually needed.
If used with an ozone generator, the life of the
salt cell will be extended and the pH should be less
apt to rise quickly. I hope that the
information provided was helpful.
Sincerely. Alan Schuster, 12/31/2020
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Corrosive Concerns?
Hello,
Maybe you can clear something up for me. I have a
spa and the manufacturer recommended chlorine. They
said bromine was "corrosive and damaging to the
equipment". I've read chlorine was more corrosive,
not as effective and gasses off at higher
temperatures. Any idea why they would recommend
chlorine? Thanks.
Bob
Upton, 8/20/2020
Acidic water can be
corrosive, whether chlorine or bromine, is used.
Copper heater cores are particularly vulnerable.
The most common
form of bromine is a tablet, which is acidic. The
most common chlorine, used in spas, is close to
neutral. That is probably why they are making that
statement - it's easier than trying to explain why!
If you keep the pH at 7-2-7.8, then it really
doesn't matter, whether chlorine or bromine is used,
so far as corrosion is concerned. Bromine is less
irritating and odorous and is a very popular spa
choice. A popular way to use chlorine is with
a salt chlorine
generator. It is easy to use, provides better
control and eliminates handling, measuring and
storing chlorine. It also makes corrosive low
pH very unlikely. I hope that the information
provided was helpful.
Sincerely. Alan Schuster, 8/20/2020
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When And How To Shock A Bromine Spa?
Great
helpful site. I looked and you answered this several
times in different ways but I am just a bit thick. I use
Bromine Tabs. When Bromine is low - should I always
shock before I add more Bromine? I know when I shock the
Bromine goes up. But, how do I know when putting in the
Shock when am I killing micro-organisms and other stuff
- and when am I just using real expensive Bromine
raiser? Thanks.
Allen K., 7/17/2018
OK, I'll try to
clear this up. When the bromine level needs to be raised
quickly, you need to add non-chlorine or chlorine shock.
These products will
oxidize the bromide ions and form new bromine. This
boosts the bromine level, so that wastes are destroyed
and sanitation is maintained. When the bromine levels
are good, you want a source that helps maintain the
bromine level, within the optimum range of 3-5 PPM.
Bromine tablets help you do that. With bromide ions
present (Your could also add sodium bromide.) chlorine
will generate bromine. If you add a
salt
chlorine generator, it will become a bromine
generator. It can simplify the task of maintaining a
satisfactory bromine level, by allowing you to dial it
up or down. We offer several, affordable models and many
require non-installation. I hope that the information
provided was helpful.
Sincerely. Alan Schuster, 7/17/18
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Differences Amongst Bromine Tablets?
Hi Alan, I just started to use brominating
tablets in a floating dispenser in my hot tub
and when the bromine level was low, I added some
brominating concentrate to quickly bring it up
to standards. But, it seems to have affected the
water. I also notice that brominating tablets
from different companies seem to have different
ingredients, as well as the concentration. Can
you set me straight on this? Thanks.
There are
slight chemical differences, in the chemical
composition of bromine tablets. Primarily, the
differences came about, in order to make them
easier to tabletize. It does not affect performance.
All of the bromine becomes active. The chlorine
reacts with the spent forms of bromine (bromides)
and as it is used up, regenerates new bromine. Even
though, it shows chlorine and bromine, it all ends
up as bromine. Bromine tablets are acidic and will
lower the pH and Total Alkalinity. Care should be
taken to make sure that the water does not go
acidic, as that will eventually lead to damage to
the heater. There are other ways to sanitize,
that could prove more convenient. A
salt chlorine
generator will generate chlorine, which will
react with the bromides to form bromine. These
devices will help you maintain a proper bromine or
chlorine level, simply by adjusting the chlorine
production. All it takes is a small amount of salt
and access to a 100 volt GFI protected outlet. There
is no installation required, for any of the four
Plug-n-Play models. I hope
that this information will prove helpful.
Sincerely. Alan Schuster,
3/9/2014
► Getting The
Bromine Level Right?
Hi Alan. I sure could use your help to
understand how to properly use Bromine in my Hot Tub. I have
been using the Bromine Pucks in a floater tube but have a
very difficult time to keep the Bromine levels between the
3-5 ppm range even with the floater tube chamber opened up
all the way and a full stack of pucks in the tube. Although
in theory this seems to be an easy way to "feed" sanitizer
to the tub, it does not appear to be very effective.
Typically when I test the Bromine levels they are below
1ppm, so I have been just crushing up 2-3 pucks to a powder
which seems to help for a very short duration and then is
back down soon afterwards. I recently read in your help
section that this practice is not advisable in any event. As
I read more about it, there seems to be more variation to
the Bromine method than simply pucks in a float tube. There
seems to be a number of different methods such as:
1. Bromine Pucks (in float tube) with non-chlor shock
occasionally 2. creating a Bromide "Bank" which I completely do not
understand 3. a two-part system of liquid and an "activator" (not sure
if this includes the use of pucks or not) 4. have also read about products like "Refresh" and "Peak
Boost" to bump up the bromine levels, but I understand there
is concern about cyanuric acid build up with these products.
I am confused if these are all different systems, or all
parts of the whole system. Can you please help me to
understand this whole Bromine thing and simplify all this a
bit.
Your assistance is greatly appreciated.
Marty, 10/18/2016
Feeders always need tweaking, as the bromine level
depends on usage and how much bromine is being dissolved.
That is where testing comes in. A "bank" refers to a
concentration of bromide ions. When you use bromine tablets,
you create a reservoir of bromide ions. If the bromine level
is low, just add a small amount of sodium dichlor or
potassium monopersulfate (non-chlorine shock). This addition
will convert the bromides back to bromine.
You need not be concerned, about a cyanuric acid level
buildup, as the bromine is unaffected. In addition, spas are
generally emptied, every 3 months. to avoid such buildups of
chemicals and byproducts. I hope this information is
helpful. Sincerely. Alan Schuster, 10/18/2016
► Using
Chlorine To Generate Bromine?
I hope this is not a redundant
question but I could not find a specific answer on your
site. After pouring over your site for the last few weeks, I
made the decision to switch from chlorine to bromine in our
spa. I purchased a product billed as brominating granules:
one-step sanitizer & oxidizer. When I got home, I noted that
this product has 82.5% Sodium Dichloro-s-triazinetrione and
only 14.7% Sodium Bromide. I think I understand from the
detailed information on your site that the bromide will be
converted to bromine in the presence of some chloride ion,
but am I really moving away from chlorine sanitizer with
this product? Could you also help me understand 1) how
exactly this product works, 2) how I should use this product
after a new tub refill and maintenance, and 3) how I should
combine the use of these brominating granules with bromine
pellets in a dispenser? For example, would I only need to
use these brominating granules, only pellets, or some
combination of both. If it matters for your answer or our
choice of sanitizing, our house came with a very old spa
dropped into an above ground deck (not well insulated). We
are only weekend spa folks and tend to heat the spa up on
Friday afternoons and turn off the heat Sunday night but we
do have the pump circulating water 24/7. Thank you so much
for your forum. It is by far one of the most detailed and
informative that I could find on the web!
Tim, NC, 12/31/2012
Last letter for 2012. Happy New Year!!! With bromine,
hypobromous acid is the active sanitizer and with chlorine,
it is hypochlorous acid. If you start off with bromine, you
build up an excess of bromide ions. If you add chlorine, it
converts the bromides to hypobromous acid. If you start with
chlorine and add bromine, the bromine remains as hypobromous
acid, until it is depleted. Then it reverts to bromides.
Adding chlorine will convert the bromides to hypobromous
acid. In other words, if there is excess bromides ions, it
all ends up as bromine, no matter what you add. The chlorine
is reduced to chlorine ions and the bromide ions are
oxidized to hypobromous acid. The product you are using is
merely combing sodium dichlor and sodium bromide. Once
added, to the water, it will end up as bromine. You can add
a monthly dose of a sodium bromide product and then follow
with sodium dichlor or even non-chlorine shock. In the
latter case, it is sold as a 2-part bromine system. It
really is bromine and the odor, or its greatly reduced lack
thereof, is an indication of why most people prefer bromine,
for spa use. You have the option of using bromine, in
tablet form, in a floater or feeder. You can use a combination of products, with
the intention of maintaining a 3-5 PPM level of bromine. If
you add an EPA registered as a Spa
Mineral Sanitizer, you should be able to get by
with a bromine level of 1-3 PPM. I hope that this helps
explain how chlorine ends up as bromine.
Sincerely.
Alan Schuster, 12/31/2012
► Bromine:
the 2-part version?
I can understand how the bromine
tablets work. That's fairly straightforward. The 2-part
bromine seems a bit confusing. I'm using it, but I don't
really understand how it produces bromine. Can you help?
James H., Plainview, NY, 4/12/2007
There are 2 products that comprise the bromine 2-part
system: a liquid product containing a concentrated solution
of sodium bromide and a granular product containing the
oxidizing agent potassium peroxymonosulfate (also called
potassium monopersulfate or monopersulfate compound). The
liquid product is typically added only once a month. Adding
more will not produce more bromine. The granular product is
usually added on a daily basis or, as needed, and it is this
product that results in bromine being produced. The
potassium peroxymonosulfate reacts with the sodium bromide,
already in the water, and forms bromine. Add more potassium
peroxymonosulfate and more bromine is produced. After, the
bromine has been consumed in the sanitizing process, it
reverts back to sodium bromide, allowing for the cycle to be
repeated. The sodium bromide product is added monthly to
assure that there is always an excess amount of bromide,
available to be converted into bromine. The water can be
tested for Bromine and adjusted accordingly. The advantage
of this method is that it is quick dissolving and allows for
flexible control of the bromine level. The 2-part system
produces no organic byproducts and contributes only
harmless, innocuous salts to the water, after the sanitizing
is completed. Hence, never a build-up problem. These
products are pH buffered, so as not to have a major impact
on the pH. The only downside is that you have to add it more
or less on a daily basis. I hope that I succeeded in
explaining the product. Enjoy the spa.
Sincerely. Alan Schuster, 4/13/2007
► Use Of A
Floating Feeder?
Hi! I read your article, "Bromine for
Spas", but I could not find any information as to how to
actually add the tablet to the water using a floater. I was
curious as to if you could give me a description of how to
do this. For example do I leave all tablets in the bottle
and put it in the tub? Or do I put one tablet in the
floater? Thanks!
Kait T., 1/8/2011
A simple enough question that seems not to have been asked
before! A floating feeder for a spa is relatively small
(compared to pool feeders) and probably is able to contain
6-12 tablets, depending upon the actual design. Start by
filling the feeder and trying to keep the feeder relatively
full, by adding more tablets 1-2 times weekly. Do not allow
the tablets to completely dissolve before adding more!
Keeping the feeder reasonably full will help allow for a
more consistent dissolution of the product. Use the
adjustments for opening and closing the water vents, to help
maintain the bromine level at 3-5 PPM. Bromine tablets are
slow dissolving and do not play catch up very well. You
should add some shock, after periods of heavy bather usage
or whenever the bromine level has bottomed out. Consider adding a
Salt Chlorine
Generator, as it will provide better results, than using
traditional chlorine and it easier to use, than bromine
tablets. I hope that I have been helpful and enjoy the spa.
Sincerely. Alan Schuster, 1/9/2011
► Bromine To
Chlorine?
Alan, we used bromine in our hot tub
but it irritated our skin, in order to switch to a chlorine,
do we need to empty our hot tub and start it from scratch
with chlorine, or can we just convert over? Thanks.
Lisa, 4/11/2008
You must completely drain the spa, removing as much water as
possible. Otherwise, the bromide salts, remaining in the spa
water will convert the chlorine to bromine. The fact
that you described the rash in the plural (we) leads me to
believe that the problem may not be the bromine. Bromine
tends to less irritating than chlorine. A rash could be the
result of too much bromine, too high or low a pH or
inadequate spa water sanitizing. If after converting to
chlorine, the problems cease: great! However, if problems
continue, I suggest that you consider the addition of an
ozonator and
reducing the level of chlorine or bromine. The use of a
mineral sanitizer or ionizer and an ozonator is a viable
option, that utilizes a very low level of chlorine or
bromine. I hope this information will solve the problem.
Good luck.
Sincerely, Alan Schuster, 4/11/2008
► Bromine And
Chlorine?
My husband and I have been given 2
pieces of advice and wish to find out which one we should
follow. At the present time in our Hot Tub we chlorinate and
then we test the level and add Bromine tablets to the
floater to maintain the chlorine level.. This was told to us
by one company. This past month we went to the place we
bought the hot tub to purchase needed chemicals and told
them what we needed and were told to NEVER use chlorine and
bromine together. We have not had any trouble before this
advice and were wondering which method of maintaining the
chlorine? I would appreciate your advice on this. Thank you.
Cheryl J., 3/15/2007
There is nothing wrong with what you are doing. After
bromine has reacted with wastes, it forms bromide ions.
Adding chlorine converts the bromide ions back into bromine.
Read the label on the bromine tablets. It contains both
chemicals and works, as I outlined.
What you are doing is maintaining the spa on bromine and
using chlorine to shock and that is normal. You should be
testing for bromine and trying to maintain 3-5 PPM. Make
sure that you are testing for Bromine. A product, such as
the LaMotte Insta-Test Strips, provides the right kind of
information and is ideal for this purpose. I hope that I
have been helpful.
Sincerely. Alan Schuster, 3/15/2007
► Using
Bromides With A Salt Chlorine Generator?
We have a 400 gallon hot tub that we
sanitize by way of a salt water chlorinator. My question is
that if we were to add a product such as sodium bromide to
the hot tub, would it convert it to a bromine base versus a
chlorine base? Would the salt water generator still work and
would it then produce bromine instead of chlorine? I had
read somewhere, that if this was done, then you would have
to add enough bromide ions as to equal 50 ppm? Is this
correct? Any info you can provide on this would be
appreciated.
Bob From Canada, 12/18/2008
If you have bromide ions present, the chlorine (hypochlorous
acid) will react with the bromides and convert it to bromine
(hypobromous acid). This will happen with a
salt chlorine
generator or any other method of adding chlorine. It will
end up as a bromine spa. However, not all manufacturers of
salt chlorine generators recommend that their product be
used, in this manner, as it could shorten the salt-cell
life. However, the reasoning behind this applies to pools or
spas that are constantly exposed to the Sun. Most spas to do
not
fall, into this category. Good luck and I hope that I have
been helpful.
Sincerely. Alan Schuster, 12/18/2008
► Using
Chlorine and Bromine Together?
My husband uses bromine tablets in a
floating feeder and uses a chlorine shock treatment in our
small hot tub. Is it okay to mix these or should he be using
a non-chlorine shock? I ask because sometimes I go into the
hot tub and there's an odor that slightly hurts my lungs to
breathe and makes me cough. He says bromine and chlorine are
the same and it's fine, but I'd like your opinion. Also, how
often should you use shock? I think he does it once a week
even if the bromine level is fine. Thanks.
Nancy, 10/25/2007
There is nothing wrong with using bromine and chlorine
together in the same spa, but they are NOT the same
chemical. Bromine tablets actually contain both chlorine and
bromide. In the presence of bromide ions, which will come
from the bromine tablets, the chlorine will convert to
bromine. Adding some granular dichlor is an easy way to
boost the bromine level, after periods of heavy bather use
or due to low bromine levels.
A
salt chlorine
generator will end up producing bromine, if a few ounces
of sodium bromine are added, along with the required amount
of salt.
This addition is only required once, after each refill of
the spa.
Bromine tablets are
acidic and will cause the pH to drop, unless soda ash is
added. The low pH is corrosive to equipment and very likely
to lead to irritating vapors. Check the pH! You should
shock, after periods of heavy bather use, whenever the
bromine level bottoms out, at first signs of a loss of water
quality or periodically to prevent the buildup of
contaminants and resistant microorganisms. The use of a
Mineral Sanitizer can reduce the amount of bromine required
and provide more consistent conditions. I hope this
information is helpful.
Sincerely. Alan Schuster, 10/25/2007
►
Environmental Concerns?
Hi there. Just wondering how
environmentally friendly bromine is when you empty your spa
water containing bromine on your lawn. Thanks.
Wondering, 1/8/2005
Draining a spa onto a landscaped area is always
second best to draining it away from vegetation. However,
ultimately it all ends up in the same place. The spa does
not contain herbicides or chemicals that are expected to
cause landscaping or environmental damage. I hope that I
have been helpful.
Sincerely. Alan Schuster, 1/9/2005
► Chlorine
Tabs Vs. Bromine Tabs?
The other day, while picking up some
more bromine tablets, I was browsing the chemical department
and came across a product that was 1" chlorine tablets. It
contains 90% chlorine and will fit into my bromine floating
feeder. It was a lot less expensive. Can this be used?
Jeff. N., 12/1/2008
The bromine tablets that you are using are slow dissolving
in your spa. This is important in order to provide a
continuous release of bromine into the water. The chlorine
product that you described is intended to be used in a
swimming pool. This product is slow dissolving, as used in a
swimming pool. However, at the temperature of most spas
(104ºF), these tablets will dissolve too quickly, making it
difficult to control the chlorine and pH. Trichlor is not
recommended for use in a spa, in any form. Stick with the
bromine -- you'll have less work and less odor. I hope that
I have been helpful.
Sincerely. Alan Schuster, 12/1/2008
► Test
Results Not Matching Colors?
Well, here's the deal. I switch to
bromine I never emptied tube I was told no need to. Anyway,
I added the bromine tablets to feeder and I added the
bromine shock to start a bank as well. got no reading so I
shocked it with non-chlorine well that gave me a good dark
reading above twenty plus. I did this since the place I
brought my water sample to said I needed to break the
barrier. I know I got bromine you can smell it now. After
the non-chlorine burns off the next day I take a test and
it’s a off pink color on a DPD tester I have added tap water
to tester as well to see how it brings it down, but color
never seems to match the test block really well. I let it go
down to the point on tester were there was no color and
added more non-chlorine again today and it went back up, but
color still off. The place I bring the water to said just
let it burn off you will be fine, but, as I said before it
goes from a pink to nothing. Can you help? Must be something
to get it to look right on tester. It’s a 1000 gal. hot tub
Please help.
Leonard, B., 1/12/2007
Find another way to add tablets! Otherwise, you could
destroy the heater, if the pH falls into the acidic ranges.
Bromine tablets are acidic. Try a floater or a inline
bromine feeder, placed after the heater and equipped with a
check valve. Depending on bather usage, bromine alone might
not be the best solution. Consider adding an
ozonator,
ultraviolet sanitizer or
mineral sanitizer or switching to a
salt chlorine
generator, which can provide more control and better
results. It sounds like
there was a lot of material for the bromine to react with
and it may take a day or more for all of the organics to be
destroy. Try and keep a bromine level at 3-5 PPM. Unless you
added sodium bromide, the chlorine part of the bromine
tablets, may take a while to convert to bromine. Bring in a
water sample to a local dealer and compare the test results,
with your own. Your
test chemicals may be outdated or need replacement.
Personally, I would choose a test method, that eliminates
the color-matching and guesswork. A
ColorQ PRO 7,
all-digital water tester, would be
an ideal choice. I hope that this information proves
helpful. Sincerely. Alan Schuster, 1/12/2007
► What Is A
Bromide Bank?
I am using bromine tablets and was
told that I need to add something to create a bromide bank.
Why? What is it? Thanks.
No Name, State, 11/12/2008
A "bromide bank" means that there is excess sodium bromide
present in the water. The bromine tablets actually contain a
mixture of bromine and chlorine. As the tablets dissolve,
the chlorine will react with BROMIDES present in the water
and will be converted into BROMINE. In a freshly filled spa,
there are no BROMIDES present. To make sure BROMIDES are
present and available to react with chlorine, a liquid
sodium bromide solution (The Bromide Bank) is added. This is
only done when the spa is freshly filled or refilled. By
doing this, there will be none of the odor that can be
associated with chlorine usage. I hope that I have explained
the product. Enjoy the spa experience.
Sincerely.
Alan Schuster, 11/12/2008
► Very High
Bromine Levels?
We have emptied and refilled the hot
tub twice now and the bromine count still reads almost 20.
The second time the alkalinity and pH came into the
acceptable ranges, but the bromine is way too high. The tub
was emptied due to folliculitis. Is there any other way to
decrease the bromine level so it is comfortable to use the
spa again. Thanks.
Lori, Canada, 12/28/2009
Only two possibilities. Your test kit is not reading
properly or you are really adding too much bromine. A level
of 3-5 PPM is recommended. The folliculitis could very well
have been caused by too little bromine, which lead to
inadequate sanitation. Sometimes with bromine there is
interference with the pH test. Are you positive that you are
reading PPM of bromine? Have you had a dealer confirm these
test results? You could be adding too much product at a
time. If you are using a monopersulfate shock, it WILL raise
the bromine level, as will all forms of chlorine. There is
no reason that a refilled spa should have a very high
reading, unless too much product has been added. If you have
added too much, you can lower the level by adding a
chlorine/bromine neutralizer product. As a means of
simplifying the sanitizing, you might think about adding an
ozonator and a
mineral purifier system or switching to a
salt chlorine
generator, which can provide more control and better
results. It will allow you use fewer
chemicals and afford better water quality. I hope that the
information proves helpful. Enjoy the new year.
Sincerely. Alan Schuster, 12/29/2009
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